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kenny
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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 10:50 am Post subject: Ghost hunters or thrill seekers?
'Ghost detectives' make overseas 'reality film' DVD but some say risks aren't worth it
Ghost hunters or thrill seekers?
By Ho Lian-Yi
April 02, 2010
A new group of paranormal investigators are risking life and limb overseas and capturing it all on video.
They hope to sell the video to fund their activities.
The older groups of paranormal investigators, who organises ghost tours to fund their activities, are critical of the new boys.
Recently, the Singapore Spears Paranormal Investigators (SSPI) explored haunted places in Indonesia and claimed the trip was fraught with danger.
They are hoping to sell the DVDs, titled Mission 2 Dimensions, for $24.90 to fund their activities.
Mr Charles Goh, who has been in the paranormal business for more than a decade, said: "When they are risking their lives, it's going a bit overboard.
"You don't want to really join the other side. You have your wife, your children and your families waiting for you... if you are injured or paralysed your family must take care of you for life. Is it worth it?"
SSPI's found and director Muhd Salihin Ahmad said he was aware of the risks.
"If you love something and have the passion for it, you don't care if you risk your life," he said.
"Like (wildlife expert) Steve Irwin, for me, if you die doing something you love, it's okay. In the end, you die anyway."
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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 11:20 am Post subject:
some say you walk a step forward with your foot,
some say use you eyes to look before you move forward,
and others say use your brains before the next move,
the choice is theirs!!!
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captain_24
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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 12:41 pm Post subject: Re: Ghost hunters or thrill seekers?
kenny wrote:
"If you love something and have the passion for it, you don't care if you risk your life," he said.
I agreed to the fact, that once you love something that happens to be your passion, you will definitely stick to it. Like myself, besides paranormal, I do have the passion for sci-fiction.
But by saying that you don't care, even if its going to take your life, doesn't that sounds close to suicide? Yes, living things like us die in the end. We all know that! But the way the director of the relevant paranormal group had spoken was like as though not to care and love for the soul in the body. Let's say, he really fell from a cliff prior to investigation. He never made it through. Who's going to bear the guilt? Who's going to face the burden? Who's going to regret it? The loved ones at home, of course!
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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 4:40 pm Post subject:
The insects, snakes, animals, the holes in the ground, the cliff can kill then, the ghosts will not kill them they are protected by powerful charms and believed the ghosts are frighten of them.
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Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2010 11:06 pm Post subject:
We forgot we had jungle training, during NS and also night training in the jungle, think these
guys should be doing just fine in the jungle, but caves should be careful, apply the NS training, They should be during fine, if there is medic and people who had spiritual training, don't offend the spirits should be ok. Ghosts combine thrill seekings adventure, I wish SPI organise a fun trip that is not very dangerous one day.
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captain_24
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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 9:45 am Post subject:
spark wrote:
We forgot we had jungle training, during NS and also night training in the jungle, think these
guys should be doing just fine in the jungle, but caves should be careful, apply the NS training, They should be during fine, if there is medic and people who had spiritual training, don't offend the spirits should be ok. Ghosts combine thrill seekings adventure, I wish SPI organise a fun trip that is not very dangerous one day.
I understand in your point of view, that the men serving for their NS had to face this obstacles, those rough terrains as part of their training. But still, safety is first priority and had to be brief before they began their routes. Its imperative for them to understand all this.
But still, I had to admit, I disagreed by what the director of the relevant paranormal group had stated.
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spark
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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:11 am Post subject:
you are correct, as a leader, the lives of those in the group is in your hands,passions is one
thing, their loves ones depending on them to put the food on the table and all other expenses, including home repayments, children education, one cannot be selffish.and who look after them if they are bad injured.Our country don't have dole handout,have to work to get the money.
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chlorophfil
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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:44 pm Post subject:
at the risk of being blasted by own
i cannot refrain from commenting
who here has viewed the DVD (before commenting)?
who here has done any background research of the individuals currently under analysis?
i may not have done an in-depth interview with all members of their team, but i have spoken with a few of them, including the director of SPEARS. i have also viewed the DVD multiple times.
the things they did may seem extreme - going into a cave which had water flooding it, walking into volcanic activity area. the voice-over made suggestions of the dangers they were facing, the fact that they could not see where they were putting their feet especially with the water covering the place. worse, they were barefooted - who knows what they could step on...
but they were guided by key-masters - locals who know the places well. they had local guides - locals who have been monitoring the place for at least two years. with such experienced guides, in the case of the cave, three key-masters.
we go for spooky walks in the dark of night, to places where many of you may not have been to. you are trusting yourselves to whoever is leading the group for the night. how well will the group leader know the path (how many recce? how often traveled?), compared to the key-master?
more importantly, our affiliate (not sure if you realise, the organisation that you were commenting about is indeed one of our two affiliates) insists that their agents undergo training - intensive training - theoretical, physical, mental - once a week. sessions are about 6hrs long. to be able to go for an overseas trip means that the agent would have gone through about nine months of training and passed various tests before they make the standard to be considered for the overseas trip.
the agents KNOW what they are in for. they knowingly agree to participation. how different is that from our spooky walks (where we sign indemnity)?
they went to an unexplored (by them) land - isn't that what we do in recces? they were properly trained and prepared for it. discipline and cohesion in the SPEARS is high.
if i upset anyone with what i am saying, well, i will not apologise for it
i stand by what i am saying
consider what you know about the people, the situation, the background before you comment. you may be in danger of making defamatory statements without grounds. i am not saying that you are not allowed to have opinions. but please, be a little sensitive.
it is a matter of personal choice.
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captain_24
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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 6:16 pm Post subject:
chlorophfil wrote:
at the risk of being blasted by own
i cannot refrain from commenting
who here has viewed the DVD (before commenting)?
who here has done any background research of the individuals currently under analysis?
i may not have done an in-depth interview with all members of their team, but i have spoken with a few of them, including the director of SPEARS. i have also viewed the DVD multiple times.
the things they did may seem extreme - going into a cave which had water flooding it, walking into volcanic activity area. the voice-over made suggestions of the dangers they were facing, the fact that they could not see where they were putting their feet especially with the water covering the place. worse, they were barefooted - who knows what they could step on...
but they were guided by key-masters - locals who know the places well. they had local guides - locals who have been monitoring the place for at least two years. with such experienced guides, in the case of the cave, three key-masters.
we go for spooky walks in the dark of night, to places where many of you may not have been to. you are trusting yourselves to whoever is leading the group for the night. how well will the group leader know the path (how many recce? how often traveled?), compared to the key-master?
more importantly, our affiliate (not sure if you realise, the organisation that you were commenting about is indeed one of our two affiliates) insists that their agents undergo training - intensive training - theoretical, physical, mental - once a week. sessions are about 6hrs long. to be able to go for an overseas trip means that the agent would have gone through about nine months of training and passed various tests before they make the standard to be considered for the overseas trip.
the agents KNOW what they are in for. they knowingly agree to participation. how different is that from our spooky walks (where we sign indemnity)?
they went to an unexplored (by them) land - isn't that what we do in recces? they were properly trained and prepared for it. discipline and cohesion in the SPEARS is high.
if i upset anyone with what i am saying, well, i will not apologise for it
i stand by what i am saying
consider what you know about the people, the situation, the background before you comment. you may be in danger of making defamatory statements without grounds. i am not saying that you are not allowed to have opinions. but please, be a little sensitive.
it is a matter of personal choice.
I'm here not to argue, not to blast, not to shot back, but to take back the words that I'm just say. Ok, I didn't viewed the DVD nor I done any research about SPEARS. Honestly, I have no intention of throwing any defamatory statement about them. I do agreed that when comes to passion, you will stick to it, like as though its part of your life. I just felt that its isn't right for someone to say something like that. It might offend others for all I know. That's the only part that I am negative about. Loved ones back home might be worried.
Since you had spoken to a few of them, including the director, then its fair enough, that you had noted in terms of their values, leadership, guidance, the hard training, physically and mentally and so forth. That you also viewed the DVD multiple times. But some of us, like myself, didn't know well of their agenda. And didn't know that they were guided by key masters. Cause we never did what you had just mentioned.
Yes, you are right. We have to learn more about them first before making any comments. I take this as a lesson. Any objections to what I've say, I will take note and I be careful before commenting on such. I'm quick to apologize.
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mikemyers2009
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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 8:34 pm Post subject:
hmm ok not to backlash either of the paranormal groups here and like professional we shouldnt be sensitive here or get emotional or cry though our forum disallows vulgarity n tongue lashing ,if you know me mikemyers in the past how i had behave on recces and goin quite in-depth into jungles without FEAR ,only what i fear are snakes, bees ,holes or potholes, & I admire SPEARS for being Vigilant like a REAL COMMANDO, GUARDS ,SOF Unit in fact i admire such courage , claps for them, but you see something we SPI-ens lacks ,ok let me out in a simple example & i repeat im not trying to hurt anyone here as i change my tactics from the past ok , as i mentioned to some agents even in quite behind our dear forum members just like in ARMY though we cant have youngsters understand that , foremost Survival instincts
1) always take a long metal pole or stick as a means to check ground before you walk , yet some didnt use common-sense to do that
2) everyone should be equip with something be it water,insect repellant,necessary boots or whatever to ensure no bruises if they do happen wil cause further damage to skin
3) finally always be a bit of a thrill seeker, i dont mean jump into DEATHS-GRIP but get as much info of the area,mayb even small things people ignore,be smart but yet i say SAFETY 1st ,if you have campin gear belt it comes in handy ,how i know i saved some people who were at McRitchie early 2009 haha
4) 1 more thins many of you doesnt observe quiet behavior when told so,many doesnt practise CALMNESS
Anyone used a jack-knife to cut away thorns in a simple manner to just walk simple paths? yeh be innovative, its called THINKIN ON THE SPOT , ok & finally when some of you enter certain areas did anyone say a PRAYER, I did that few times as protection in the past when OCH ,etc etc was allowable for entry & yet i was SAFE , well thats all i got to say
There are certain behaviors which are annoyin i must say anyway many types of people make the world go round haha but like some says in Supernatural world a HUMANs becomes DETECTORS before we get DEVICES to DETECT , Right On Brothers & Sisters , & no offence to others take it as a TRAINING IN ARMY GROUNDS ok ,many places got loopholes only some can never be entered and i guess you know that too
*** but on a note do you not think about yer grand mum ,mother or xiao ti-tis and cute kids at home ,not like sylvester stallone ok but that some of them i bet has considered too
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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 10:54 pm Post subject: Re: Ghost hunters or thrill seekers?
kenny wrote:
'Ghost detectives' make overseas 'reality film' DVD but some say risks aren't worth it
Ghost hunters or thrill seekers?
By Ho Lian-Yi
April 02, 2010
"
SSPI's found and director Muhd Salihin Ahmad said he was aware of the risks.
"If you love something and have the passion for it, you don't care if you risk your life," he said.
"Like (wildlife expert) Steve Irwin, for me, if you die doing something you love, it's okay. In the end, you die anyway."
source:
New Paper:
http://www.tnp.sg/news/story/0,4136,235594-1270245540,00.html
The above
words" If you love something and have passion for it, you don't care if you risk you life"
May I ask carol you are the chief of PID, have you been attacked by ghost? and you can see the Ghost charging at you and you have only one or two second to respond to the attacked.Tell you the truth I had, and you know was very frightening.You think all that training are useful, I don't think so, you will be dead.
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Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2010 11:14 pm Post subject:
i would like to comment on this....
i agreed on wat chorophil had said
SPEARS had gone thru intensive training almost every nite in singapore before their actual mission in indonesia.
they had local guides along the way
so the dangers were kept to the minimum
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 12:54 am Post subject:
The training they have will enable them to complete their mission, and with the local guilds there will be liittle chance of getting hurt. I am talking about the cave, the cave maybe be the temple for the demons or good spirits is still a gamble to go in. The guilds have the knowledge about the cave.and the protection against the demons, and what happen if the demon possess the paranomal thrill seekers, do they stand any chance
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 1:11 am Post subject:
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But still, I had to admit, I disagreed by what the director of the relevant paranormal group had stated.[/quote] I think you are entitled to youR own opinion. You don't have to agree to everyword a high ranking person said.I pray for them to return safely.
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 1:31 am Post subject:
It's okay la,their decision mah. I guess when you're in it,it's hard to see where you're heading.
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