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portageek
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 4:31 am Post subject: Re: Ghost hunters or thrill seekers?
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You think all that training are useful, I don't think so, you will be dead.
trainings are meant to prepare the person as much as possible to minimize any dangerous situations they may encounter..
can you imagine what would have happened if no one had any training prior to their expeditions and something unexpected occurs?? people will start to panic and confusion might just be set into motion.
SPEARS has a medium with them on most of their expeditions for precautionary purposes as they were venturing into places which probably many of us had never heard of before.
As for the cave, SPEARS had to go in barefooted because they were told by the guides/keymasters that the cave was sacred and no footwear was allowed. they just followed the rules of the place so as not to show any disrespect to the beliefs of the locals there.
Quote from Zak Smoke:
"If you love something and have the passion for it, you don't care if you risk your life,"
For one, Zak knew there were risks involved in going into unknown locations, after viewing of the DVD and speaking to Zak, you could tell he had safety as his highest priority and he wont risk the life and limps of his group members.
To Zak and many others similar to him, safety comes first before adventure...which is the right way to go....
Cheers...!
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 8:11 am Post subject:
interesting reactions from people here.
to each his/her own opinions.
noted, spark, your point ..in a cave, narrow and dark, water flooded, can't see, where can they run to if any entities rushed down at them
point - they had a native medium. they had the keymasters: locals who know the place. they been in many times. i am almost sure too, they have not offended the entities hence they are given unmolested passage there
sigh. i suppose cows can come home by themselves before a few points sink in.
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....(edited out).... have you been attacked by ghost? and you can see the Ghost charging at you and you have only one or two second to respond to the attacked.Tell you the truth I had, and you know was very frightening.You think all that training are useful, I don't think so
i take this as one of those "she better stop talking as she has no experience in this area" statements that i was anticipating - rather like how i was told to not talk abt certain things in the past as i lack the experience.
True, Spark. i have not seen. i cannot see. i am "blind".
guess that means many of us here should ship out as we are not endowed with the sight. we cannot see hence we are open to attack.
from what you are saying, training is useless. having a medium around is useless. so why bother to continue trying to research into the area?
all research and investigation has to be in non-ghost and non-spiritual area as the entities are gonna "rush down and attack us" and we mere mortals are defenseless against them
WRONGO.
you state training is useless
what training did SPEARS go through? is it really useless as you are saying?
do you know exactly how they were trained?
next point: i am blind.
perhaps it is because some of us are blind that makes us better for such investigation process. we do not ridicule our 3rd eye members, in fact, we encourage them to record down their observations which we can then correlate with the gadget measurements later if possible.
we, the blind people wont be reacting to anything if our 3rd eye colleagues remember one of the basic rules of investigation that mikemyers has reminded us about in his roundabout fashion
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4) 1 more thins many of you doesnt observe quiet behavior when told so,many doesnt practise CALMNESS
another basic point, thank you mikemyers
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& finally when some of you enter certain areas did anyone say a PRAYER, I did that few times as protection in the past when OCH ,etc etc was allowable for entry & yet i was SAFE
regardless religion and creed, this is an important point. important, but often forgotten, sadly
this is the part i am most uncomfortable with
spark wrote:
you will be dead.
i am sure many are wondering ... they rush down on him, and he is alive??
can't be so bad then, right? just turn and run and i will be fine.
any youth reading this - the point is, please do not attempt similar behaviour without proper SPIES training (spiritual, physical, intellectual, emotional, social) conducted under proper guidance
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 10:09 am Post subject:
Hi Carol, my opinion, may or may not be apply in some cases, you have all the good points, but... you see it from the simple points of view. Anyone who served NS or the army can tell you, demon can posess you even in simple army exercise. Caves were used as temples in the days before man build temples it's " THE MOST DANgEROUS PLACE" to explore the paranormal in caves, only those with metal balls can fix in. SPI also has our own medium, I attended not many only a few spooky walks and i witness possesing a young girl, Medium can only do this much, is up to us to respect the nature!!! Many people interest in paranormal activities also aquired spiritual training(how to fight spirits), I say spiritual training is part of paranormal. Many understood, how to prevent spirit entering their body, some don't. the secret is to displine ourselves.. We the sighted and the blind share the same routes, they can move in the dark without lights, shows who is better? Perhaps I offended you when I said about the spirit attacking from nowhere, I was refering to how dangerous demons can be, not about you not having 3rd eyes.
about spears having traininig as good as the commandoes,and bomoh with them. But accidents happen if the spirits attack, the spirit can push a person down a cliff. or into a hole. Bomoh also has limited abilities.I wish the Bomoh can prevent accident causes by spirits.
we are here, we do our observations base on sciene not 3rd eye, medium knowledge, i just highlight some of the danger, without the elements of danger I think paranormal investigation is boring. I think SPI is doing the right things, get scientific evident, and not the 3rd eye BS. Cheers Carol, I mean good.We are here to question each other so that we can learn more. Don't get upset lol. And also tell me how to stay CALM, I think your blood level had gone up. HAHAHA
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 10:35 am Post subject: Its their home ground
spark wrote:
...Caves were used as temples in the days before man build temples it's " THE MOST DANgEROUS PLACE" to explore the paranormal in caves...
Its their home ground, thus they do have unfair advantage. Some spirits are hundreds, if not, thousands of years old. These powerful entities are not easy for spiritual masters to handle, let alone mere mortal. Of course, I do not mean that we cannot study them, it is good that they had local guides and experts to guide them along. But some of these entities are like SR-71 and F-117, they have a high level of stealth and can be invisible to even those who can tune in to their frequencies.
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 8:32 pm Post subject:
spark wrote:
Hi Carol, my opinion, may or may not be apply in some cases, you have all the good points, but... you see it from the simple points of view. Anyone who served NS or the army can tell you, demon can posess you even in simple army exercise.
Spark, i may have to disagree with you here...
I served my NS, went through BMT, went through overseas trainings including those in jungles, forests and deserts, handled recon missions..etc..
and all the while I've never heard or seen any of my men coming into contact with demons or getting possessed.... nor have i heard from anyone or encounter during NS of people getting easily possessed during exercise.... and no one ever mentioned about being possessed by demons....
I've only seen others collapse due to heat stroke or exhaustion... no possession thus far.... even the "enciks"( i call them old birds of the army..lol..) say there is no such thing and is only the mind playing tricks or just someone trying to "keng"(cheat) his way out of serving NS....lol..
and i believe physical training has it advantages during any expeditions or ghost hunts....
as the saying goes.. ghosts aim for weaker bodies first, the stronger ones tend to be avoided.
Cheers...!
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 10:51 pm Post subject:
portageek wrote:
spark wrote:
Hi Carol, my opinion, may or may not be apply in some cases, you have all the good points, but... you see it from the simple points of view. Anyone who served NS or the army can tell you, demon can posess you even in simple army exercise.
Spark, i may have to disagree with you here...
I served my NS, went through BMT, went through overseas trainings including those in jungles, forests and deserts, handled recon missions..etc..
and all the while I've never heard or seen any of my men coming into contact with demons or getting possessed.... nor have i heard from anyone or encounter during NS of people getting easily possessed during exercise.... and no one ever mentioned about being possessed by demons....
I've only seen others collapse due to heat stroke or exhaustion... no possession thus far.... even the "enciks"( i call them old birds of the army..lol..) say there is no such thing and is only the mind playing tricks or just someone trying to "keng"(cheat) his way out of serving NS....lol..
and i believe physical training has it advantages during any expeditions or ghost hunts....
as the saying goes.. ghosts aim for weaker bodies first, the stronger ones tend to be avoided.
Cheers...!
Portageek, 1981 i was in taiwan doing NS reservist, I saw a ns guy from singapore posess by spirit, his platoon mate went into trance and managed to rid of the spirit. Looked real to me
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 11:00 pm Post subject:
hmm i 1994 ns at one of the islands,friend kanna possessed on every thurs nite by a ghost ... so from tat day onwards every thurs no nite training
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Posted: Tue Apr 06, 2010 11:08 pm Post subject:
so back to the topic.... what i thot is ...nothing ventured , nothing gained!
since the day they decided to do this thingy, more or less they will know the dangers tat lies ahead..
tats what they really want!
to captured the paranormal on film mah
不入虎穴 雁得虎子！
dvd if sells like hotcakes den they famous lor
dvd if sells bad den ....
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 12:39 am Post subject: Re: Its their home ground
capriken wrote:
spark wrote:
...Caves were used as temples in the days before man build temples it's " THE MOST DANgEROUS PLACE" to explore the paranormal in caves...
Its their home ground, thus they do have unfair advantage. Some spirits are hundreds, if not, thousands of years old. These powerful entities are not easy for spiritual masters to handle, let alone mere mortal. Of course, I do not mean that we cannot study them, it is good that they had local guides and experts to guide them along. But some of these entities are like SR-71 and F-117, they have a high level of stealth and can be invisible to even those who can tune in to their frequencies.
I know, but those spirits with high level of negetive energy (ying) also produce the chili low temperature reading and high EMF which can be recorded using scientific equipments. For paranomal investigation, scientific equpiments are used, human frequencies comes in as a guild, senses and 3rd eyes does help, but videos and other devices recordings are proves of thei existences.
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 7:34 am Post subject:
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Portageek, 1981 i was in taiwan doing NS reservist, I saw a ns guy from singapore posess by spirit, his platoon mate went into trance and managed to rid of the spirit. Looked real to me
wah ..no fair.. how come you guys get all the fun in getting to see possessions??
i only get to see two possessions which ended up being classified as hysterical and both sent to IMH...
spark wrote:
I know, but those spirits with high level of negetive energy (ying) also produce the chili low temperature reading and high EMF which can be recorded using scientific equipments. For paranomal investigation, scientific equpiments are used, human frequencies comes in as a guild, senses and 3rd eyes does help, but videos and other devices recordings are proves of thei existences.
Agreed..... collecting scientific data of their proof of existance is the main challenge in any paranormal investigations...
ttg wrote:
so back to the topic.... what i thot is ...nothing ventured , nothing gained!
since the day they decided to do this thingy, more or less they will know the dangers tat lies ahead..
Also agree.....knowledge comes from experiencing situations as well.. which allows one to be better prepared...
Cheers...!
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 10:25 am Post subject:
ttg wrote:
so back to the topic.... what i thot is ...nothing ventured , nothing gained!
since the day they decided to do this thingy, more or less they will know the dangers tat lies ahead..
tats what they really want!
to captured the paranormal on film mah
不入虎穴 雁得虎子！
dvd if sells like hotcakes den they famous lor
dvd if sells bad den ....
lots of people love ghost stories, but to sell paranormal investigations is boring only a few bums, people like me and others like you know who? like to watch, black magic or bomoh stories real or makeup stories, I love to watch.
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 12:43 pm Post subject:
just like geek n the others.. when they wanna present u wif a spooky walk at brown. they will of course recee the place first infact i think several times before.
during their recee at the forested areas do they know wat will happen next?
no...but nevertheless they are well prepared for every possible dangers which might happen right?
just like the other nite at brown , the floor is wet due to the heavy rain in the morning, the road towards the PEH KONG temple was ups n downs....they knew exactly where are the dangers areas n warned everyone which passes by the danger spots to be more careful.... still there are some people fell down but they were fast in reacting and assisting... so kudos to the team for good effort
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Posted: Wed Apr 07, 2010 12:44 pm Post subject:
spark wrote:
ttg wrote:
so back to the topic.... what i thot is ...nothing ventured , nothing gained!
since the day they decided to do this thingy, more or less they will know the dangers tat lies ahead..
tats what they really want!
to captured the paranormal on film mah
不入虎穴 雁得虎子！
dvd if sells like hotcakes den they famous lor
dvd if sells bad den ....
lots of people love ghost stories, but to sell paranormal investigations is boring only a few bums, people like me and others like you know who? like to watch, black magic or bomoh stories real or makeup stories, I love to watch.
lol... i agree with what you say....
those are reasons why most paranormal movies or series do not tell or debunk everything usually until the end of the show or something.. its to get the viewers excited.. and after to rational the entire situation in a practical way which helps to explain how things may be seen or how it occurred...
in cartoons like Scooby-doo.. they'll run into some monsters, aliens or even ghosts and end up solving it in the end....
Ghost hunting series like "Most Haunted", they have a group comprising of a psychic, ghost hunter and his/her crew and 1-2 skeptics who join in to try and communicate with the other world... at end of the show, the skeptics somehow will come up with some explanation for the occurrence or why some things may occur in that way...
interestingly, some cannot even be explained which makes their series more interesting as more and more events unfold in mysterious ways....
sadly, in Asia, i have yet to find a series on the paranormal that does similar productions... its either they do really lame "re-enactments" of the spirits they saw or they never complete their investigations properly or worse.. comes up with some really queer explanations that leaves people wondering whether it was even worth watching in the first place.....
Cheers...!
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Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2010 4:48 am Post subject:
TTG ONE OF THE ISLANDS happen to be Tekong right? yeh those innocent years of mine ,hmm 180-1994 seems a mysterious decade then
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For me, its the passion that counts........
I've been through and this makes me wanna know more from the other side....
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